CreeperHunter55 wrote:Even the concept of objectivity is subjective. But can we tell the difference between mad people and normal people? I think that the edge of normality is somewhere in the middle. What is missing from this map. Gameplay here is just mad, mess.
yes, but if we are not discussing within some "objective" framework or set of rules it is impossible to have a real discussion, in this case later on i assume you are using the approval criteria for a map, which some of the problems you mention do not affect
the second part of what you wrote makes no sense at all? mad people and normal people are also subjective criteria, even including psychology and scientific research, i do however think this is some metaphor which i dont understand? how is it relevant?
just because the map is a mess (in your opinion and definition of mess, which is a VERY subjective word, more than normal because of how often people use different meanings because a mess is comparative and mostly within ones preferences), and mad makes no sense in this
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i love how everybody who plays this game into some "competitive" level is so deliciously exquisite pizza sauce miserable and they deliciously exquisite pizza sauce take everything personally, but its irrelevant anyway, having experience doesnt only mean you understand how things work, it either means you are dumb (you have experience and you dont understand how things work), this is completely irrelevant to the topic btw" — I
I said it's not relevant, so why did you bring it up again? Is this a provocation?
because you still mentioned that you are level 900+ and that indirectly implies you think that level should correlate to skill or understanding of the game, which is false, and also based on the fact that most approval discussions, mostly the other stryde-sniper one, had a bunch of people who kept talking about how deliciously exquisite pizza sauce good they are and some other dumb shit, if you were to consider that a valid way of discussing with me, knowing it early would make this last a smaller amount of time
The limit of players must initially correspond to the proportions of the map in its Source, I do not know how to argue here, this is a dead end.
yeah, because this isnt a problem
How do discord discussions relate to this map? If you want to discuss something off-topic, it is better to write to me in discord, and not clog up the discussion.
this is more so you learn about logic before discussing about basically anything (you do seem to be much better than basically everyone else, but just read the later discussions last time someone tried to get this map edited or unnaproved, there were so many fallacies being used, and i mean at your first comment you are also hitting some, almost, just to be sure, more of a long term thing (i mean its not like someone who uses a fallacy would deliciously exquisite pizza sauce read something, its unlikely, but you do seem to value objectivity to some degree and you seem better at this than the people who wanetd this map edited or unnaproved in the past)
5. "this has been talked about before, read viewtopic.php?f=179&t=20436
they can't be killed, they can be damaged, but cannot be killed, stryde replied to that, theres a lot of discussion that achieved nothing" — Ok, I agree with that one.
congratulations, you are now the first person who ive seen change their mind about this map about something
No, it is opinion of the Approval Team.
where? they set it up according to the map developer to set it, however if staff has a problem they will mention that, its up to the mapmaker, however if the map could also work with more people, the person might not have added more players because of their own preference before staff can judge it for approval, maybe that is not the case in that specific map because i lack the knowledge about it but this is also a possibility (that is much more common in my experience with people wanting their maps approved)
I think I clearly explained that players will not be able to choose the maximum value, for example, higher than 4 players, for a map that is created only for 4. you Can either 4 or less. And it will be fair.
this makes no sense? how is this OBJECTIVE, i mean what is the real problem with a higher player ocunt? why 4 and not 6? why 4 and not 2? etc, why is this specific number the right one, and why not 8 i mean i made some other arguments which you did not reply to
First, I noted that the advantage is not in the sides, you should read more carefully. Secondly, I'm really not going to answer you anymore because you write a lot off topic and provoke. And yes, I'm here to discuss the map's problem with its owner and official faces of the PB2.
I LOVE THIS, ok ok so here is the thing, you ignored some of my points, replied, and now you are going to ignore me for a thing completely unrelated to logic or objectivity, for a personal preference, that being you cant handle argumentation when people are making fun of you INDIRECTLY, but this shows my point, back to what you said
you are considering my personality, with that you do not want to argue with me (you are running away from discussion, which means you do not have a point and you are going to ignore mine, which is pretty damn typical, a lot of people did that in the past, makes sense to run away), but, you will still reply to people who you think are worthy replying (stryde and staff members?), which is completely irrelevant to the discussion and it shows that you actually said a thing that is false, you do consider people's personality, AND THAT YOU DO NOT SEE COUNTERARGUMENTS in front of you, and you are also using an ad hominem here since who says what is irrelevant to any discussion, if you do want to achieve "truth" or "fairness" or "balance" or whatever, which turns out you dont
you also did this while ignoring some points i made earlier, which you did not reply to, such as why people being able to spam grenades and kill each other being a problem, as in for this map not to be approved, instead of just your personal problem (which stryde replied with "just create some match with a lower number of max players") which solves that preference of yours while not ruining the map for others
Great, I'm already being threatened. Very reasonable.
Aero- wrote:bro what the fúck are you smoking LMFAO
this is obviously sarcasm, and im just making fun of mostly the part where he said that staff is corrupt, the end of the other stryde sniper discussion was during a period of time BoZ members barely played PB2 anyway, its so deliciously exquisite pizza sauce irrelevant and really shows how biased this dude is, its such a ridiculous idea, incompetence could be true but it also shows his incompetency by not reading older topics on getting this unapproved, im making fun of him, and he took it literally or something? it is very reasonable, its not a fallacy or something, its a method of argumentation (appeal to ridicule), corruption in PB2, really? and even if there is corruption, who the deliciously exquisite pizza sauce cares and what are you going to do, turns out centralized power systems work well with corruption and complaining about it does nothing (turns out a lot of politicians are corrupt for a reason!)
tldr: i make arguments, dude ignores a few, picks a few, admits that im right in some, then runs away because he cant argue and after saying he "doesnt care about the cult of personality and only sees counterargumentation" but will only reply to specific personalities of this game and wont reply to me because i make him insecure or smth, ad hominem