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Postby Incompetence » 7 June 2016, 00:03

Lately i've been cruising through the savage ban appeals section and came across appeals for vpn bans and whatnot. not really something i should be concerned about but one in particular made me think and make this post ( viewtopic.php?f=125&t=16814 )

My knowledge on the rules is rough but still enough to get a basic understanding, but i feel some should get a slight looking over, preferably the glorious rule 6.4.1

6.4.1 - Evading any ban for any reason automatically gives up ownership of your account. Accounts used to evade bans may be permanently disabled by site staff.


my only problem is that this is worded to apply to all bans, irrespectively of whether you deserved the ban or not or even if the ban is yours to begin with. vpns and proxies are ill-advised for good reasons but there's a minority out there who use vpns and such just for privacy's sake and not for malicious purposes who encounter these vpn bans. we all know eric isnt exactly free with his time and contact is stagnant so ppl end up waiting hours, days, weeks, maybe exaggerated further for other ppl's mistakes. the only real option that would be left would be to evade it; its not your ban so nothing should go wrong, right?

Well, this rule is pretty savage if you ask me. i have encountered a vpn ban before and have attempted to evade it numerous times simply because i just want to access the site and not let a ban that i never received for my own actions stop me. by doing this, i technically lost all ownership of this account just to get out of a hole meant for someone else

"whats your point lad, why are you complaining about a rule when its not hurting you?" might be the first question you have

imo the ban evasion rule should only be applied to bans that i or anyone else receive as a result of their actions specifically. its not a good move to evade bans, sure, but when all options fail, people will turn to this as a last resort. they dont want something that they shouldnt get stopping them at all. its being enforced far too literally in my opinion. maybe with good intentions, yes, but the innocent shouldnt be punished for going under the radar

I'm not asking that the rule be changed nor am i trying to be a radical SJW, but i do want opinions regarding this. share em below cause i know there'll be ppl advocating for both sides (agree or disagree basically) and it'll be really interesting to hear what ppl have to say in regards to it

fyi, yes i am aware that it says that accounts may be banned, but the wording is the real point of discussion here. the question here is whether you're fine with the wording being general towards all bans, or should the wording be less general and more specific towards certain scenarios. banning isn't a concern here as scenarios/circumstances behind the ban/evasion vary among person to person

I want this to be an actual civilized discussion (hence general discussion), not an answer and lock topic
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Re: rules

Postby ustopable » 7 June 2016, 04:19

i have no problem with the rule if I am banned ill just accept it and play other games since this is not the only game that makes me entertained. Some websites automatically IP Ban players who uses VPN. I can't see the point of using VPN there are a players who gets account banned made another account and uses VPN then causes chaos in game.
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Re: rules

Postby Krutz » 7 June 2016, 04:43

i think the problem would lie with the initial issue of the ban itself

if you are faced with a ban punishment that is unjustified, poorly justified, or inaccurately justified, then you should dispute the validity of the ban itself and not simply evade the ban

the former is legal; the latter is illegal and you would be punished for negating a ban

now, do i think it should be illegal for evading a ban? yes, regardless if it was justified or not

if you are evading a ban that is legitimately imposed on you, then you should be further punished in my opinion; if you are evading a ban that is illegitimately imposed on you, then you are simply impatient and a bit foolish (if i may say so) for not taking a cleaner route of response, and you should be punished

breaking a rule after not feeling that you broke another rule is unwise

so, if i read you correctly, i disagree with you

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Re: rules

Postby Kazy » 7 June 2016, 09:34

Incompetence wrote:[...]

However, exceptions exist. Especially if it comes to mentioned VPN bans.
I honestly wouldn't apply that rule if a VPN ban has been issued randomly and we don't have Eric to hand to remove the ban.

Then again, VPNs should never be used to access any servers services* of PB2.
There should be a side note for that, which Eric may add some time.
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